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My cousin and her husband are looking into building a home for around 300k in Ohio. 4 bedrooms and 3 baths in a nice suburban neighborhood. She is a stay at home mom of three kids, and he works in engineering making about 70k a year. With the income alone I don't think they could afford it, but anyways she thinks they can. They have 40k in credit card debt and 80k in student loans, and no car payments. They just sold their current home, and paid off the car with that money. They are now living in a nice apartment community until they can build their house. She said they have about 10k in savings, but they do not want to put that down and keep it for emergencies. She said she believes with a new construction loan, she won't need to put anything down and can even consolidate her credit cards into the loan. I think she is nuts.

Maybe I am old school, I thought you could only get approved up to around 2.5 times your income less debt. 70k times 2.5 - the 80k and 40k is a 55k house. I don't know much about new construction or if the rules changed. What do you guys think?

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smellymeow said:My cousin and her husband are looking into building a home for around 300k in Ohio. 4 bedrooms and 3 baths in a nice suburban neighborhood. She is a stay at home mom of three kids, and he works in engineering making about 70k a year. With the income alone I don't think they could afford it, but anyways she thinks they can. They have 40k in credit card debt and 80k in student loans, and no car payments. They just sold their current home, and paid off the car with that money. They are now living in a nice apartment community until they can build their house. She said they have about 10k in savings, but they do not want to put that down and keep it for emergencies. She said she believes with a new construction loan, she won't need to put anything down and can even consolidate her credit cards into the loan. I think she is nuts.

Maybe I am old school, I thought you could only get approved up to around 2.5 times your income less debt. 70k times 2.5 - the 80k and 40k is a 55k house. I don't know much about new construction or if the rules changed. What do you guys think?

She's not ready. Get the student loans paid off and the CC paid off. Save up 20% and have a mortgage of no more than $1200 (25% of her take home pay).

She should throw $1500/month (similar to what a mortgage would be) at her CC and student loans. With no interest she should be ready to start saving the down payment in about 80 months.

Message edited by: mikef07 on 2008-08-26 12:42:51 CDT
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smellymeow said:... I think she is nuts.Agreed, unless she get out there and get a job.

$300k?! That's an awful nice house in Ohio.

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A while back I considered buying a home. After getting input from FWF, I realized it just wasn't within reach yet. I think people just like the idea of owning a home, and don't see clearly that it's not in their best interest.

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Is it just me or we're starting to be a forum full of Suze Ormans?

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70k in income, 120k of debt (including 40k in presumably high interest credit cards), three kids and they want to borrow another 300k? Incredibly bad idea IMO. They shouldn't even think about buying until they've paid off their credit cards and can put down a real down payment.

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At the VERY LEAST they should pay down the CC before buying a house... but it sounds like her mind is made up. They will be part of the bailout in 5 years.

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No way. In today's mortgage crisis, nobody will even give them a loan with less than 10% down (30k).

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Those credit cards should be a priority.

With $40k in credit card debt, I'm assuming they enjoy living above their means. That would also explain why they need a house which is about 4.25 times their annual income, especially since I imagine they could find a "standard" house in a decent area in ohio for, say, $150k.

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Waiting to buy until you've paid off student loans (as long as they are Federal loans) is pretty foolish. Waiting until the CC is paid off is not.

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a good rule of thumb is not to have a home loan that is more then 2.5 to 3x your gross income. i'd run their mortgage numbers through bankrate to find out their monthly payment. add a few hundred bucks a month for taxes and insurance, then add in all their other bills (debt, electricity, water, sewer, trash, food, gasoline, car insurance, etc) and subtract that from the husband's monthly take home pay. i bet you'll find that the debt + bills + mortgage will exceed his monthly take home.

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BlueEyesAustinTexas said:Waiting to buy until you've paid off student loans (as long as they are Federal loans) is pretty foolish. Waiting until the CC is paid off is not.

Honestly, its not that foolish. All these people who assume that federal student loans are what they used to be don't realize they are reaching new levels. My wife's private loan is 6.0%, and her federal is 6.5%. At those rates it wouldn't be a bad idea to try and pay them off before getting a house.

Our current plan is to be completely debt free in 5 years, and then save one more year for a house. It sucks, but at least I won't feel overwhelmed with debt.

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DENIED

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there is no way they can afford it!!!
they better pay off those loans and credits first and then start thinking about the house!

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At least you don't need to convince your cousin not to make a big mistake. Getting laughed out of a few loan offices should do the trick.

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Ha - How's this for back of the napkin

Gross Pay 70K
Taxes -25K
Housing -25K
Debt Payments -20K

Forget it. Anyone who would lend them 300K deserves the losses from the impending bankruptcy.

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I'm guessing you're planning to throw this thread in your cousin's face, eh?

FYI, any amount of convincing that try to do on your cousin is probably just going to look like jealousy at their high-spending lifestyle. I'd just stay out of it if I were you. Hopefully they'll be denied for the mortgage, doing them a big favor. Otherwise, we'll *all* be bailing them out in a few years when they default.

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Dumb people.. they're everywhere. Just trying to keep up with the Jones' I guess!!!

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of course they can not afford it. Clearly they have not run the numbers however you shoudl be staying out of it. Anyt I told you so is just being a jerk for jerks sake not helpful
They should
1. make real budget
2. pay off cc
3. save downpayment
4. buy house within means
oh an in mean time one reality check to to pay the difference between rent and morgage every month in addition to minimums to credit cards. That will tell them how real the budget is.

Message edited by: lindylady on 2008-08-26 14:11:30 CDT
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